now it's a more conciliatory tone with this fiscal cliff. and the grover pledge republicans say privately gets in the way of that. now a majority of the congress has not signed the pledge because of republican losses as well as we talk to some incoming republicans in the house and they haven't signed it. they don't want to be tied down. and these aren't centrists, incoming members, these are conservatives. grover says eventually some of these guys will sign it after they've served in congress, but it's part of the republican party kind of reassessing things. >> i'll ask you to overgeneralize, we had speaker gingrich who says things aren't so bad, we just need to recalibrate a little bit. as you talk to republicans, capitol hill, strategists and big thinkers, are there more people saying we need some tweaks or more people saying we need to rebuild from the ground up? >> i think it's more of a significant revamp. especially when you're talking about immigration reform. i mean, you talk about the dream act, scale back bill that was voted on in